This Is What I Need to Hear

    Let me just start by saying that I believe in the Obama campaign.  I think that he can bring people in to this process who would never have been interested before - I have seen it happen.  I am a law student, a recent graduate of the University of Wisconsin.  Many individuals I know from college, people who I NEVER thought would care about politics or a specific campaign have surprised me.  They have taken a stake in Barack Obama campaign, donated, volunteered, canvassed and voted.  
    I think that we are facing an issue that could derail all of this.  The Rev. Wright sermons scare me for two reasons.  First, if this is a narrative with legs, if it is one that cannot be adequately addressed, I think there will be serious problems for the candidate that many of us here believe in.  Wright's sermons are the essence of what turns off white Americans from a black politician - resentment.  No matter how true it may be that racism is alive, that race is the defining factor of one's life, the fact is white Americans in general do NOT want to hear it.  They want to believe that the country has made progress - that race is fading, that Americans are good people in their souls.  This is part of what makes Obama a special politician - he makes us feel that way.  And in doing so, he actually helps racism become a thing of the past - believing that we can move on from racism seems, to me, to be the first step towards actually doing so.
    The words of Rev. Wright blow that all away; they drip of resentment and, sadly, buy in to a lot of the foolish talk that lies below the surface in many minority communities.  The idea that the US Government invented and disseminated HIV/AIDS is patently ridiculous - I find it scary that Wright, who seems to have such standing in his community, would believe and preach this.  The idea that America "had it coming" on 9/11 is repugnant.  No matter what foreign policy evils America may have committed, we have still been a force for good in the world (until, ugh, W.), and I believe that the next administration will help us return to being a positive force.  If Obama is connected to these virulent notions, his campaign will sink under white distaste for black resentment.  
    The second reason this scares me is that it forces me to be concerned about Obama's judgment.  I find it hard to believe that Barack did not have a clue, at least, about the general tenor and tone of his long time pastor's sermons.  He should have seen this issue coming, and he should have dealt with it more effectively earlier in the campaign.  I find it worrying that he did not address it as he should, that he still had Wright on his campaign.  This, coupled with Michelle Obama's comments over the campaign, make it worryingly easy to build a "black resentment" narrative around the Obama.  I hope and pray that Wright and Rezko are the only landmines along the Senator's path to the White House - but now I am certainly frightened that there are more.  

So, what do we do to fix this?

    What I would like to believe, what I really need to believe to continue supporting Obama, is that he never accepted these types of comments - that he treated them as an unfortunate side of a man who he respected in other areas.  I think we all have friends or relatives who we love, and agree with on many things, but who hold bizarre viewpoints.  We don't divorce them from our lives, or stop associating with them.  We disagree, and we look to issues where we believe the same thing.  I would like to believe that such a relationship existed between Wright and Sen. Obama.  
    Now I don't know if that is an answer that the Senator can give now.  He has stated that he was not aware of the comments his Pastor has made, and he cannot very well recant that.  So, this is what I need to hear.  In order for me to keep believing in Barack, believing that he is good for this country and can win in November, I need more than what he has given so far.  I need him to take the SPECIFIC statements of Rev. Wright and make clear WHY they are wrong.  I need to hear that the idea that HIV/AIDS was spread by the government is patently ridiculous - that it is hurtful and counterproductive to believe such things.  That it is flat out silly.  I need to hear that the murder of 2,974 civilians was not "chickens coming home to roost" - it was a disgusting act of terrorism.  I need to hear Obama say that, while he agrees with Rev. Wright on spiritual issues, believes in the power of the Church and his faith, the political ideology of Wright is anathema to him.  

If I, and America, hear these words I think Obama can tackle this issue and continue on his path to the White House.  Generally "denouncements" and "repudiations" are not going to cut it.  I need arguments about WHY Wright is wrong.  I think that is what it takes to believe Barack.  If he does not handle this properly I think we should thank our lucky stars that we have a back up candidate, despite any animosity or distaste for Hillary.  I hope that we can move on from this, I hope Obama passes this test.  I know that if he does, there is nothing that can stop us in November.  



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He already said pretty much exactly what you wanted him to say.

Wright and Rezko have been a topic since the beginning of the campaign. There is no reason to believe that there is anything else in the closet.


by marcotom on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:44:14 AM EST

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All I have seen is general "denouncements" etc...I think it is much easier to believe someone who can articulate WHY They don't agree with the statements made...


by JitteryZeitgeist on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:51:06 AM EST

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I'm sure he will denounce them specifically if he is forced to do that, but it is quite easy to fill the gaps knowing everything we know about him and his ideology. It's just dishonest to say that you have doubts that he loves America. He specifically said that he didn't like that Hillary's name was mentioned in some of the sermons. I don't know what you want him to do, exactly. Please be more precise.


by marcotom on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:59:40 AM EST
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I just want him to articulate why he disagrees with the statements of his pastor - why he thinks that statements which can be fairly easily categorized as radical are not accurate ways to frame modern american society.  

In my gut I believe that Obama does not buy in to this stuff (maybe I am naive), but I think that I, and a whole lot of Americans, would like something more concrete - to be sure that this ideology does not resonate with him.  Beyond just saying "its not like that" or "I don't agree" I want an explanation of what the flaws in Rev. Wrights political views are.  I see that commentors below DO believe that 9/11 was the expected result of American foreign policy...that is a defensible opinion, but not one I believe.  Why?  I think it is more directly attributal to Osama Bin Laden's desire for a caliphate with him self at the head.  He uses anti-american resentment and anger over imperialism to further his own radical strain of Islam...attacks like 9/11 build his good will and damage an enemy of his ambitions.

That is my explanation of 9/11.  I am sure Barack frames the issue in a similiar way - I just think it is important for him to say that.  Credibility is everything in a political campaign, and to maintain his (impressive) credibility, I'd like to see Sen. Obama go on record with rebuttals to Wrights arguements.  It would show, at least to me, that there is a thought process behind these denials, that there is true belief behind them.  I think that it would go a long way towards clearing up this mess.

Just my 2 cents...


by JitteryZeitgeist on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:41:16 AM EST
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Okay. But isn't that just what he says in every speech anyways? Okay, I admittedly liked him from the start and have heard a lot of him. But it seems that his positions are very clear and I don't see why one could have serious doubts about what his political philosophy is. He has also written a book about it. I think it covers 9/11 as well, but I'm not a 100% sure on that.


by marcotom on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:52:37 AM EST
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Yes I think that the general message of his campaign has run completely against this way of thinking, which is one of the reasons I find this so troubling.  The relationship with Rev. Wright is a long term one, one that long predated any political ambitions.  I just feel that if Barack goes out there, reiterates who he is and what he believes and why that is different than Rev. Wright's ideology, I will feel a lot better about the whole mess.  In the end I think this can be a good thing for the senator, but I just don't think what has been done so far is enough.

I am not here to tear down Obama, I wish I didn't have to write this at all.  I really do think he he is the best canidate and will do great things for this country.  I am actually going to see him tonight, hopefully my confidence will be renewed :)


by JitteryZeitgeist on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:57:44 AM EST
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tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies (none / 0)

that is what you seem to be asking>
Of course Obama can explain it all to you and say what you want to hear.  Are you really that easy?
His judgement was lousy, but more than that... why would he sit and listen to those sermons for 20 years and call the guy his closest spiritual adviser if he didn't admire and agree with what he said?

You seem like a very smart reasonable young person. But you are willing to allow Obama to talk it all away.


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by TeresaINPennsylvania on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:55:39 AM EST

Re: tell me lies, tell me sweet little lies (none / 0)

Talk what away? Your faked outrage? Please...


by marcotom on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 08:57:30 AM EST
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Well, I saw three clips from Wright last night.  That kind of divisiveness is not something I support - whether I understand it or not.  The "God damn America" quote was to my mind the worst.  Not even really because of patriotism but because that just seems to have no place in church.  That line will be the one referred to over and over again.  I have no idea if Obama can survive this.      The main reason I am voting for Obama is because I do not want another corporate democrat in the White House and there is a small chance Obama won't be (I'd be the first to admit I don't know).  So obviously something like this wouldn't affect my position.  But it might affect those of other people.

I also should even though I disapprove of the delivery and specific divisiveness, I do not agree with the diarist that the comments about 9/11 were in any way inaccurate.  9/11 had everything to do with our foreign policy for the past 60 years.  That doesn't make it justified, doesn't make it acceptable, doesn't mean we don't fight against it.  But denying the reality that U.S. corporatism around the world has fueled Islamic terrorism is part of why we wind up in Iraq and why we are thinking about going into Iran.  It is fully possible to believe this and still love our country and our fellow Americans, but simply want to face reality as a means of actually improving ourselves and the world.


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by edparrot on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:21:16 AM EST

He has done all that you've asked (none / 0)

If you want him to go into the public square beat his chest and flog himself silly, then I don't think you're going to get it.

The fact of the matter is that aside from the HIV/AIDS comments - which I doubt that Obama would ever give second thought to - that all of the political ranting is essentially what you would hear from just about every political science department at the typical liberal arts college. Even if it weren't, we're going down a very slippery slope when we say that a person rejecting the comments and kicking the guy off his campaign isn't enough to show that he doesn't hold those views.

There is not one person on this earth, let alone in Congress, that doesn't have a relationship with someone or some organization, that holds views that many people would consider disgusting. If you want Obama to apologize because you think he may actually hold those views, then I don't think any amount of regret/rejection/denunciation, will change your mind.


by highgrade on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:42:29 AM EST

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Not asking for an apology really, he has nothing to be sorry for.  I just feel that the tone of the comments coupled with the strong connection between the Senator and Rev. Wright require something more that a rejection, denouncement, whatever.  Is it too much to ask of Sen. Obama to explain why this ideology does not resonate with him?


by JitteryZeitgeist on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:50:12 AM EST
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Again (none / 0)

Do you honestly believe that Obama - a person whose mother was white, whose grandfather fought in WWII, and who points out repeatedly that only in the US would a person like him have reached the position he is in today - thinks that God should damn America and that the US is responsible for HIV/AIDS? His speeches/comments explain very clearly why this ideology would never resonate with him.

As far as his relationship with Wright - I have no idea what his sermons typically consist of. Maybe these are a few scattered outbursts, and not something that he is spewing every Sunday. Quite honestly, I find it very hard to believe that a church would grow to that size, not to mention gain such a significant white membership, if Wright was telling his congregation that their country is inherently evil and that whites can never be trusted.


by highgrade on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 10:29:44 AM EST
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The problem I see for Obama is that a year ago according to his minister they agreed that the time may come when he would have to distance himself. This comment suggests knowledge of Rev. Wright's controversial statements.

While one one level I agree that we cannot be held responsible for comments that other people make in the campaigns, this is different. I don't think Powers or Ferraro should have been asked to step down. All of that was political gamesmanship.
But, Rev. Wright was more than a pastor, he was a mentor and a spiritual advisor. By Barack's own admission he helped shape who is as a person.

Voters who are firmly in his camp are not going to move. They will be able to rationalize this and try to believe it will blow over. Voters in Hillary's camp would do the same if she were in a similar predicament.

The folks to worry about are the voters who are undecided or Reagan Democrats who are currently voting for Hillary. There are also people who are looking for reasons not to support him but would hold their noses anyway. These are the real threat.

Watch the margin in PA and if there are changes in NC and you will be able to tell on the Democratic side. If he becomes the nominee in November, he is going to be pummelled by 527's on this. Some of it will question the judgement he has made a center piece against Hillary. He should have been preemptive about both this and Rezko. That would have been sound judgement.


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by LadyEagle on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 09:59:54 AM EST

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He has been preemptive about it, by making it a big topic right now, long before the general election. For practical reasons, he couldn't have done it before now. People are still getting to know him and he couldn't start by defining himself in a basically negative light by coming out about Rezko and Wright. That is why he is doing it right now, to take away the power of possible attacks in the GE. If they still bring it up, it will sound like Whitewater.


by marcotom on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 10:18:41 AM EST
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 I wonder what the rest of the world thinks about this latest kerfuffle. Any links.
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by gunner on Sat Mar 15, 2008 at 10:38:24 AM EST
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